What I did to a non-Escort last week...

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  1. denisond3

    denisond3 Moderator Staff Member

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    My daughter & her husband live and work about 4 hours away from us and recently came up for a visit. She had bought a well used 97 Honda Civic last month. The seller (a dealer) alleged no idea when the timing belt was last replaced. (Daughter knows about interference and non-interference engines). I let her borrow our 92LX so she could go to work, while I replaced the Honda timing belt. They are still paying off student loans, and would not have had the $$$ to replace the belt anytime soon.

    I had a manual for a 2001 Civic, which was close enough. I dont really enjoy working in near freezing temps, nor in snow or slush, but that is what thrifty dads get to do. I replaced the t-belt, tensioner, water pump, and a few other minor things. I presume the seller had detailed the car, which was still clean everywhere you could see, but under the bell housing oil from the original rear main seal allowed a slow leak.

    I also found the self-adjusters on the rear drum brakes were stuck: But due to time constraints, will take care of that work later in the spring – via another car-for-car swap. The rear brakes and handbrake operation will have to be fixed before the next safety inspect in August.

    What do people do who work in restaurants but dont have a relative who can keep their car running and safe for a 20 mile commute?
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    I was thinking that the only reason you were in the area this winter was because it was so mild. I think I have used a broom twice so far to sweep away nuisance amounts of snow. Of course, we still haven't gotten past President's Day or St Patricks Day here yet (for those who don't live around here that's when we usually get the biggest snowfalls; when a last winter/early spring cold front meets the proverbial spring showers.)


    They run their cars in an unsafe manner, bum rides, or take the bus.

    How much more difficult was it for you to fix the Civic when compared to an Escort? I wonder if you can even just rotate the crankshaft by hand with it being an interference engine like that.
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    I had a manual for a 2001 Civic, which was close enough.

    Manuals are nice, but I think the internet has replaced the need to buy a FSM for a lot of people.
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    denisond3 Moderator Staff Member

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    The Honda was about the same difficulty as an Escort, but with Escorts I know all the wrench sizes. You turn the crankshaft to TDC as step one, then avoid rotating it or the cam sprocket till you have the new t-belt and the tensioner in place.
    The Honda crankshaft pulleys have a recess like the Escorts do, but on a Honda it is a hex sided recess. A large hex sided tool fits in there, and along with a breaker bar, is used to hold the crank from turning when you remove/replace the main bolt.
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    As long as we are talking about other vehicles...
    I replaced an output speed sensor on a 2000 Dodge Truck 2 weekends ago. Transmission shifts fine now. Bought the part from http://www.ctpowertrain.com/ Probably easier than the TSB thing I posted in the how-to section. This is also the only vehicle where I had to replace rusted out hard brake lines too, but I used pre-bent lines bought from the dealer, as those were readily available and reasonably cheap.
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    Pizzaman5000 FEOA Donator

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    Well, that was very nice of you DenisonD!
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    I'll forgo the sex change, but may remove my mustache, beard, raise my voice and show up on your doorstep trying to convince you that you have another daughter.

    For a non-interference, the pay day loan trap. For an interference, the tack-on $3000 - $5000 on the used car loan for a used 130k mile engine. :cautious:
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    You're a good dad.
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    I have also replaced the timing belt on a Honda, but it was a DOHC and a major pain compared to both the Ford 1.9 and Mazda 1.8 which I also have done.

    Perhaps the Civic was a SOHC, so not such a beast?
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    denisond3 Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes it was a SOHC thankfully.
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    Cymmantix My old archenemy, RAKES!

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    They and their wallets will thank you. I had an acquaintance who drove an early 2000's Accord 4 cyl; it was low mileage (>80k) but he never had the belt changed. Interference design, of course, so when it snapped he quickly became a used car shopper.
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    Sometimes I have mused that there should be consumer protection legislation to prevent the sale of these interference (or as I call them, "self-destruct") engines, at least in base model cars.

    If one opted for a "high performance" engine option, then that one could be self-destruct design, with big yellow warning stickers on the dash.

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