Engine Water from behind timing cover? 97 wagon

Discussion in '3rd Gen 1997-2002 2.0L SOHC' started by Camelcolorescort, Feb 16, 2017.

  1. Camelcolorescort

    Camelcolorescort FEOA Member

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    From what I gather this is a head gasket or freeze plug. No loud noises from the valves and it runs good. It did overheat 2 times but not for long. I guess i should look behind timing cover to see where it's coming from? Hate to scrap the car. Head swap doesn't look to bad or pricey. Car only has 100k miles.

    This site has kept the AC blowing cold and enabled me to change my timing belt!!! Receive thanks in advance for your advice!!

    I think I have researched this about 4 hours I could probably taken it apart by now!!

    Should of made a poll Scrap or Fix? 97 escort wagon.
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    What makes you think it's a freeze plug or head gasket rather than the water pump? See if you can borrow a pressure tester to pressurize the system and spot the leak once you've removed the cover. There's a freeze plug behind the camshaft pulley, but the water pump seems more likely if you've never changed it.
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    Can't remember if I changed it or not.
    Maybe when I see it I will remember. Gonna go see if I can remember how to get the cover off!!

    I 'be got my fingers crossed!
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    Camelcolorescort FEOA Member

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    Well its rusty brown dust behind the cover. Pretty sure i can see its the head gasket but i will test it tomorrow. Thought about putting it back together without the timing cover and running it to see where it comes out? Also seems to be leaking oil out the otherside which it didn't do before overheating.
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    Do a compression test.
    To rule out blown head gasket
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    I agree with rbailin that this sounds like a water pump problem.
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    Camelcolorescort FEOA Member

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    Put a siphon bulb on the radiator and seems to be coming out behind waterpump pulley. Flows right onto lower timing mark. Looks like a miniature fountain. !

    I pulled the water pump. Any way to tell if its bad?? Definitely replacing what is left of the gasket and I guess the pump too.

    Cracked the inside of my timing tensioner when i was releasing the tension. So guess i will get a new one of those. The belt still looks good maybe 20k on it.

    Any advice from here?
  9. Camelcolorescort

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    There seemed to be some liquid up at the top right seam of head and water pump when I was observing it running. Now that I have it apart I am hoping the belt was slinging it up there. Thanks for the reply

    I have the pump off so I guess I will try and source a pump and tensioner.

    The 2 hoses attached to the pump gave me the most trouble. But it wasn't so bad to get them off!!

    Still have my fingers crossed because I priced a few used wagons of different types and found nothing I thought worth the $$$$!,
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    Thanks a lot fordman59. I believe you got me through an AC repair on my wagon! It's hard down here in South GA with no AC!
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    If you can do without the car for a few days while waiting on parts you could probably save a few dollars by getting them from Rock Auto. If you do buy from Rock Auto, do a web search for Rock Auto promotional codes. The codes are worth 5% off your total order. Just put the promo code number in the line that says how did you hear about us. Usually when I order parts from Rock Auto I have them here in KY in about 3-4 days.
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    Be aware that there's a real good chance that the #4 intake valve seat is going to become a problem after overheating the engine twice. On my current car, I overheated a little (didn't get into the red) in early August 2 years ago (fan relay failure in stopped traffic with A/C on) and the seat dropped in mid-October. I had warnings: rough running out of the blue on startups (but no noise) that cleared up in less than a minute, once in September, twice in October. Then it dropped while waiting at a red light.

    If you have the time & skill, start planning to replace the head with a rebuilt one from a place like headsonly.com. There are lots of threads on the subject here. Doing what you've done so far (changing the timing belt, not the water pump) is about 1/3 of the project. And it's a lot easier when you don't have to replace a broken piston.
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    Since you've already got the timing belt off to do the water pump and tensioner, I suggest putting on a new timing belt too.

    Also agree with rbailin, this is the perfect time to replace the head.

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    The oreiellys kit had a quality tensioner so I just went ahead and got it locally. I definitely could of saved 20$ but the car takes me to the river!!

    After my initial test drive it seemed to get hot so I brought it back and revved it up in the drive way and it popped the back water hose off!!! I didn't clamp it!! Easy fix from the top!

    Let it run for 15 minutes in the drive and then drove it around for 10. The temp gauge was getting close to half so I brought it home and turned on the AC full. The temp gauge went back to normal. I do just have water in there for now.

    I do hear pressure sort of boiling sound from the water pump hose areas after I turn the car off? But only for 10 or 15 seconds.

    The crankshaft pulley looks a bit wobbly so I am gonna jack it up and see if it's torqued proper and belt ribs are aligned.

    Cleaning gasket material and getting the accessory belt tensioner bolt to thread were the biggest hassles reinstalling.
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    It definitely runs rough and weird at start up sometimes. I will probably give it a shot if it fails! Thanks for your input.
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    If I could of got them ordered Friday I definitely would of !! I think I would of saved 19$ car hauls the kayak to the river so I paid the premium!! I wasn't gonna get the cheapest kit on there because I will pay a bit more for metal tensioner. Hopefully it's good for some miles. Thanks for the help.
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    If it fails, you're in for a lot more expense and work. What you described above is what mine did for three weeks before it failed. Cost me $700 doing the work myself and I had minimal damage. Sometimes it's catastrophic sometimes it's not. You are taking a big gamble imho.



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  18. Camelcolorescort

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    Sorry this post won't go away! BUT it still leaks at the pump. It doesn't leak bad and I can't get it to overheat. I am thinking that stud that Holds the cover on didn't get torqued properly. Gonna take the timing cover off and recheck my pump torque.
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    I tightened the water pump bolts probably a 1/4 turn the stud was tight. Luckily icould do this with out complete disassemble. No leaks!! No drips!! Thanks again to the FEOA.
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    Good job.

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